<article_title>Auguste_Rodin</article_title>
<edit_user>Cttomasso</edit_user>
<edit_time>Wednesday, February 6, 2008 9:52:52 PM CET</edit_time>
<edit_comment>I dispute that the destination of Rodins' tools is trivial information. Please advise as to where this information should go in the article.</edit_comment>
<edit_text>Rodin restored an ancient role of sculpture—to capture the physical and intellectual force of the human subject&lt;ref name=&quot;gardner&quot;/&gt;—and he freed sculpture from the repetition of traditional patterns, providing the foundation for greater experimentation in the twentieth century. His popularity is ascribed to his emotion-laden representations of ordinary men and women—to his ability to find the beauty and pathos in the human animal. His most popular works, such as The Kiss and The Thinker, are widely used outside the fine arts as symbols of human emotion and character.&lt;ref name=&quot;grove&quot;&gt;&lt;/ref&gt;
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Rodin bestowed his sculpting tools to Robert Eberhard who later gave them to George Snowden. George Snowden died in 1991 and passed them on to his daughter [[M.L. Snowden]]. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.new.fineart-e.com/artists/s/ml_snowden-biography.php&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  
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<turn_user>Awadewit<turn_user>
<turn_time>Wednesday, February 6, 2008 10:14:41 PM CET</turn_time>
<turn_topicname>Rodin's tools</turn_topicname>
<turn_topictext>While we might like to include every piece of information on Rodin to make this a truly encyclopedic article, that is not possible. We have to carefully select items of true import. If you can find Rodin scholars who explain the artistic importance of the genealogy of Rodin's tools, we will include that information. However the citation you have included is to a commercial site, which is not reliable (see WP:RS, WP:V, and WP:ATT - these pages outline our policies on reliable sources). "Verifiability" is one of the cornerstone policies here at wikipedia. Thanks again! Awadewit | talk 22:14, 6 February 2008 (UTC) I have removed this information again. Please read these policies and source this information to reputable, scholarly publications. It looks like you should have no trouble doing that. Thanks! Awadewit | talk 22:47, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Is is possible for you to provide me with WorldCat number for Into the Fire? I can't find it in a quick google search or at my research library. I thought I could use the information in the article to add more of a transition from the rest of the "Legacy" section to the tools bit. Awadewit | talk 23:25, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
I have not been able to verify that Into the Fire exists. It may, but it is incredibly difficult to track down. It would be very helpful if the editors who added it could point us to where we might find it. Thank you. Awadewit | talk 22:29, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
If the later history of his tools has any importance then it is to Snowden, not Rodin. font-family:Verdana;color:#0000eeYomanganitalk 23:36, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Into the Fire is a supplementary publication to Art and Business News. I continue to dispute the exclusion of information about the whereabouts of Rodins' tools, or his creative successors. If I must, I will create a new page "Auguste Rodins' tools" or wherever it is most suitable, as I find it incredible that fellow scholars would suppress information in an encyclopedia. font-family:Verdana;color:#0000eeCttomassotalk 10:36, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
It does not strike one as a suppression of information, so much as an attempt to recognize suitability of content for a biography--the disposition of Rembrandt's brushes after his death, for instance, would be a footnote, at best. In other words, and this concept comes up time and again, not all information is of equal weight WP:ROC. JNW (talk) 20:55, 12 February 2008 (UTC)</turn_topictext>
<turn_text>While we might like to include every piece of information on Rodin to make this a truly encyclopedic article, that is not possible. We have to carefully select items of true import. If you can find Rodin scholars who explain the artistic importance of the genealogy of Rodin's tools, we will include that information. However the citation you have included is to a commercial site, which is not reliable (see WP:RS, WP:V, and WP:ATT - these pages outline our policies on reliable sources). "Verifiability" is one of the cornerstone policies here at wikipedia. Thanks again! </turn_text>