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Chris Carpenter Sent To Red Sox As Compensation For Theo Epstein
 by Al Yellon on Feb 21, 2012 10:38 AM CST in Chicago Cubs News

  
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Chris Carpenter of the Chicago Cubs, making his Major League debut, pitches against the Milwaukee Brewers at Wrigley Field in Chicago, Illinois. (Photo by Jonathan Daniel/Getty Images)
17 years ago, a young pitcher with some promise named Hector Trinidad was sent from the Cubs to the Minnesota Twins as compensation for Andy MacPhail coming to Chicago with a year left on his Twins contract.

Tuesday, in an identical scenario, [Chris Carpenter]e|/mlb/players/8970 was awarded to the Boston Red Sox as compensation for the Cubs signing Theo Epstein to be President of Baseball Operations with a year left on his Boston deal. There's a bit more to the deal, says Bruce Miles:

 Bruce Miles@BruceMiles2112 
It's officially Carpenter and PTBNL for a PTBNL from Red Sox. #Cubs
21 Feb 12 ReplyRetweetFavorite
The Cubs and Red Sox could not agree on compensation and so, the teams submitted lists of "want" and "available" to the commissioner's office. After dithering for a couple of weeks, the teams came to an agreement. According to Jed Hoyer, the teams decided, not the commissioner's office.



There's been far too much teeth-gnashing and tweeting about this issue over the last few months, in my opinion. While Carpenter is a decent major league prospect, his time in the major leagues has been brief enough that there's no way that any real solid opinion can be formed about how he will do in the future. It's possible he'll be the next Carlos Marmol or Daniel Bard. Or he could be the next Hector Trinidad. I've liked Carpenter in the past... but the Cubs need to move on.

The best thing about today's announcement is that we don't have to hear about "Theo compensation" any more. It's done. Well, except for the PTBNLs, who are supposed to be decided by April 15.

Now, the Cubs still owe a player to the Padres as compensation for bringing Jed Hoyer aboard as general manager. That's not likely to be a player as valuable, nor should it take as long to send someone over (and since both teams train in the Phoenix area, there shouldn't even be any travel expenses). It might be that this compensation had to wait until the first one was settled.

Get it done, Theo & Jed.

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Well, losing a reliever...
…is never a particularly big deal. I can live with this, though I’m still a little disappointed as it was fun to watch Carp’s power arm.

"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach
by daver on Feb 21, 2012 10:41 AM CST reply  
If PTBNLs are involved ...
I’m not sure I’d agree that we no longer have to hear about this.

BTW, I absolutely can’t see Shark anywhere but in the bullpen after this move.

Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
by elgato on Feb 21, 2012 10:42 AM CST reply  
 
Good point about Samardzija.
We probably shouldn’t mention this to him, though. He seems a little testy.

"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach
by daver on Feb 21, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply  
 
wait - are you saying he wants the "ball"?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Feb 21, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply  
 
Apparently receivers never lose that mentality- even when they change sports
Quote Of The Day: Gisele On Tom Brady & The Super Bowl
"My husband can not f****ing throw the ball and catch the ball at the same time. I can’t believe they dropped the ball so many times."
by Bigp2287 on Feb 21, 2012 10:56 AM CST up reply  
I suppose Volstad could end up in the pen.
Or Manny Corpas could suprirse us. But neither of them would seem to have the upside of Carpenter.

Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
by elgato on Feb 21, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply  
 
Dolis does
If that’s any compensation. No pun intended.

by Josh Timmers on Feb 21, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply  
 
I hope not, but this quote makes me believe so....
Carrie Muskat @CarrieMuskat Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
In Dale Sveum’s perfect world, #Cubs have 2 LHP in pen. Kerry Wood is prime set-up.
Russell and…..

Supporter of Carlos Austin Boozer, and I don't want to see Dwight Howard in a Bulls uniform. Call me crazy.
by wrigleyrocker12 on Feb 21, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply  
 
Believeau!
"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach
by daver on Feb 21, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply  
 
Trever Miller?
Sveum mentioned Trever Miller a bunch of times, like a crazy person.

Strike two?

-- Jerome Horwitz
by KO Stradivarius on Feb 21, 2012 4:27 PM CST up reply  
 
Rusin!
by cubzfan on Feb 21, 2012 8:02 PM CST up reply  
 
Perhaps it's why they signed Robertson.
Supporter of Carlos Austin Boozer, and I don't want to see Dwight Howard in a Bulls uniform. Call me crazy.
by wrigleyrocker12 on Feb 21, 2012 9:05 PM CST up reply  
 
Beliveau for sure.
by Dcr18 on Feb 21, 2012 10:30 PM CST up reply  
 
John Gaub should probably get a shout-out, too.
"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach
by daver on Feb 22, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply  
 
Maybe.
He’s like Beliveau with god awful control though.

by Dcr18 on Feb 22, 2012 2:09 PM CST up reply  
 
very good point

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-George Patton 
"The complete man must work, study and wrestle." 
-Aristotle
by T.P. Grant on Feb 22, 2012 6:05 PM CST up reply  
except for the ptbnls
which makes it kind of not done…we still get to gnash our teeth, right?

by PrincetonCubs on Feb 21, 2012 10:42 AM CST reply  
teeth already
gnashed

10-25-2011. Theo Epstein joins the Cubs. Now, the fun begins.
by timh815 on Feb 21, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply  
 
dcrosby, sstills, gnash, and nyoung...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Feb 21, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply  
 
Are you heartlessly helping yourself to his bad dream?
by ClarkFan on Feb 22, 2012 4:52 PM CST up reply  
When does Bud Selig get involved to decide who the PTBNLs are?
We’re still going to be talking about this into 2014.

by Landrum. Ced Landrum on Feb 21, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply  
2104
10-25-2011. Theo Epstein joins the Cubs. Now, the fun begins.
by timh815 on Feb 21, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply  
 
I am happy to see
Selig has a very very long life line so he has adequate time to review baseball’s blackout rules.

If it wasn't for the injuries, we'd be printing WS tickets right now.
by tharr on Feb 21, 2012 5:05 PM CST up reply  
 
Evil never dies.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Feb 21, 2012 5:34 PM CST up reply  
 
Stupidity is immortal
by ddoubleheader on Feb 21, 2012 7:57 PM CST up reply  
 
Nor does that Fifth Beatle rug that's glued to his noggin.
"Started hummin' a song from 1962..." – Bob Seger 
"The past is never dead. It's not even past." – Faulkner
by ernaga on Feb 22, 2012 7:08 AM CST up reply  
 
The thing about the PTBNLs
is that there is usually a list for the PTBNL. So it’s a smaller amount of teeth gnashing.

"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza 
"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
by RiskyBusiness on Feb 21, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply  
 
The PTBNLs
Are just org guys. Apparently they had to make this a player trade for MLB rules reasons. They’re just swapping spare parts.

by Josh Timmers on Feb 21, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply  
How do you know this?
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
by elgato on Feb 21, 2012 11:25 AM CST up reply  
Plenty of whispers
on both sides to that account.

10-25-2011. Theo Epstein joins the Cubs. Now, the fun begins.
by timh815 on Feb 21, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply  
 
I'm guessing he doesn't.
But he is making a logical assumption.

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by Al Yellon on Feb 21, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply  
 
Bruce Miles tweeted it
He didn’t say “org guys” but he said the deal had to be a trade. It’s a logical assumption that it’s just org guys to satisfy the requirements.

by Josh Timmers on Feb 21, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply  
 
logical assumption
Like I said.

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by Al Yellon on Feb 21, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply  
OK, I see.
Wasn’t sure if you were citing something specifically.

Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
by elgato on Feb 21, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply  
 
Here's Maury Brown on it.
As far as the PTBNL on each side in the deal… it’s a technicality. Whenever a player is traded (and, in this odd instance, you are not counting Epstein as he’s not a player), another has to be involved. With Carpenter going to the Red Sox, another player had to be in the deal. The Cubs and Red Sox will likely swap inconsequential players in the deal just to satisfy conditions of the "trade".
http://www.bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5606:the-salary-implications-of-compensation-for-resolving-theo-epstein-going-to-the-cubs&catid=26:editorials&Itemid=39

by Josh Timmers on Feb 21, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply   1 recs
So I would hate
to be one of the players knowing that their team considers them to be inconsequential.

"I lof to hit de home ron!"
by Tekboy on Feb 22, 2012 1:39 AM CST up reply  
 
Not unless
you already know they consider you that, in which case you’re going from a team that regarded you as inconsequential to a team that was willing to accept you in a trade.

by Orval Overall on Feb 22, 2012 9:36 AM CST up reply  
 
And at the very least
you are in uniform with a major league club. Life could be a helluva lot worse.

by Emelie on Feb 22, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply  
 
It's also a chance to have a different staff look at you and reach a different opinion
Could be a break. Probably not, but maybe.

by ClarkFan on Feb 22, 2012 4:57 PM CST up reply  
 
I'd take it as motivation...
…to make myself consequential.

"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach
by daver on Feb 22, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply  
 
How often do you see the PTBNL
having any sort of relevance or importance?

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by Craig in South Bend on Feb 21, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply  
 
Almost never.
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by Al Yellon on Feb 21, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply  
 
Exactly.
I also thought that elgato was questioning the likely irrelevance of the PTBNL, but I see from above that he was just probing for more info.

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by Craig in South Bend on Feb 21, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply  
Not entirely true
PTBNL is used occasionally to trade recent draft picks since they can’t be traded w/in a year of being drafted. Obviously not the case here since they’re considered to be irrelevant parts on both sides and the trade will be finalized by April 15, which would still be too soon for last years draft picks to be traded.

by Wrecks Grossman on Feb 21, 2012 11:36 PM CST up reply  
 
Well Brett Butler was a PTBNL
30 years ago. So not often.

by Josh Timmers on Feb 21, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply  
 
This reminds me
has anyone come up with a clever “Small Sample Size” gif or jpg?

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by Craig in South Bend on Feb 21, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply  
 
Found this one...


…which is almost exactly how I pictured it.

"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach
by daver on Feb 21, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply  
 
Is that Michael Showalter?
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by Craig in South Bend on Feb 21, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply  
 
Small sample size guy pictured is Mark McKinney...
from his Kids in the Hall Days. The character went around looking at people through his fingers and putting the finger and thumb together while saying “I’m crushing your head.”

"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"--The Brain
by brook on Feb 21, 2012 6:28 PM CST up reply  
 
couldn't find the Lee & 3 dwarfs infield shot but found this one instead.


Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Feb 21, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply   1 recs
 
You looking for this?


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by Al Yellon on Feb 21, 2012 12:07 PM CST up reply  
 
yep, that's the one. I thought it was 3 dwarfs, but I guess LBR didn't make the cut.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Feb 21, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply  
 
This is now my favorite picture ever.
Until I look at a cat picture.

by Arbusto on Feb 21, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply  
 
Where's eths when you need him?
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by Craig in South Bend on Feb 21, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply  
 
Well, it's not really done.
In fact, now there are two PTBNLs instead of waiting to find out what one player would go to the Sox.

Was hoping for someone a little lower on the prospects list but I can certainly live with it.

Harry Caray: Marshall is going back to LA to get cocaine for his injured foot. 
Steve Stone: Harry, that’s Novocaine.
by Julio Zuleta's Voodoo on Feb 21, 2012 10:43 AM CST via mobile reply  
 
So much for the 'Carpenter is the future Cubs closer' scenario.
Oh well, the Cubs put the decision in the hands of others. Nothing we can say really.

There are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. Who says baseball isn't a religion?
by Zeke on Feb 21, 2012 10:43 AM CST reply  
 
Carpenter is
Kyle Farnsworth. Significant heat without movement, without location. He’ll be serviceable, but I won’t miss him.

Our PTBNL on the other hand. That really pisses me off.

-- Jerome Horwitz
by KO Stradivarius on Feb 21, 2012 10:44 AM CST reply  
 
WIthout location is right.
In the 66 innings that he pitched in 2011, his average BB/9 was 4.92.

by Naveen Nallappa on Feb 21, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply  
 
so Cubs get a player from Boston too?

No Triangle Building! Build a park!
by drodd on Feb 21, 2012 10:44 AM CST reply  
won't be Bogaerts
10-25-2011. Theo Epstein joins the Cubs. Now, the fun begins.
by timh815 on Feb 21, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply  
 
also, room on the 40-man for
JORGE SOLER!

-- Jerome Horwitz
by KO Stradivarius on Feb 21, 2012 10:45 AM CST reply  
Whatever the outcome
Getting Theo still makes us the landslide winner here.

by AzCubfan24 on Feb 21, 2012 10:45 AM CST reply   2 recs
 
Theo > whatever the hell we give up.
THIS IS THE YEAR.
by shoemile on Feb 21, 2012 10:45 AM CST reply   10 recs
 
Yeah, rec'ing because honestly, it always comes back to this.
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by Craig in South Bend on Feb 21, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply  
 
Agreed with both of you.
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by Al Yellon on Feb 21, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply  
 
It really is the best dose of perspective
no matter your views on the player(s) given up.

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by Craig in South Bend on Feb 21, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply  
 
exactly
The Stat Pack
by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Feb 21, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply  
If you place value on Theo
you have to think you have to give up something of value back

by Rainman9856 on Feb 22, 2012 7:09 AM CST up reply  
 
WS Ring
Theo > whatever the hell we give up.
When the Cubs win the WS, they can order and extra to give to Chris for his part in making us a Championship team.

by bigz38fan on Feb 21, 2012 6:02 PM CST up reply  
 
Any chance...
…this whole thing affects any deals the cubs and sox may or may not do in the future?

"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Feb 21, 2012 10:50 AM CST via mobile reply  
 
Don't see why it would. TheoJed and Cherrington are buddies.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
by SackMan on Feb 21, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply  
 
And I don't see any reason for ill will.
Carpenter seems to fall pretty in line with precedent. Theo can’t be too upset unless the PTBNL gets ugly

I never blame myself when I'm not hitting. I just blame the bat and if it keeps up, I change bats. After all, if I know it isn't my fault that I'm not hitting, how can I get mad at myself?
- Yogi Berra
by LongLiveHarryCaray on Feb 21, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply  
 
I remember seeing pictures and interviews with Theo while he was in Boston last month
Doing charity events and such. They have a good relationship.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
by SackMan on Feb 21, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply  
 
It's the relationship with Lucchino that you would question
and from what I gather, he seems a little slimey.

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by Craig in South Bend on Feb 21, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply  
 
This is what I was thinking.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Feb 21, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply  
 
I'm pretty sure that we'll start seeing CHC - BOS trades in 2013
It could take a whole year for all the dust to settle, but I’m sure Lucchino will come around if Cherington things he can get players that will help the Red Sox from the Cubs. Hell, I wouldn’t be shocked if Dempster ended up with the Red Sox this season given their rotation issues.

by subtle on Feb 22, 2012 9:17 AM CST up reply  
I like it
He’s 26, his minor league whip ratios indicate he’s unlikely to develop enough control to be really effective for more than a couple of seasons in the bigs and we keep Dolis, who is similar and 2 years younger.

The sun is up. They sky is blue. It's beautiful, and so are you. Dear Prudence, won't you come out to play? ~Lennon & McCartney
by SouthWabashSoul on Feb 21, 2012 10:50 AM CST reply  
PTBNL for PTBNL is wacky
I think Bud is just bored and looking for something to do for the next few weeks -

by doofus cubs guy on Feb 21, 2012 10:52 AM CST reply  
 
Yeah, he "fixed" the "brilliant" TV blackout map last week.
"I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher." -Rogers Hornsby
by Mapanator on Feb 21, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply  
 
Since Epstein is not a player
and Carpenter is, baseball requires a trade for a player to include to include players be exchanged from each side. that is the reason that Boston has to send us a PTBNL and the Cubs to balance by addinga PTBNL. You can’t trade a non player for a player.

If it wasn't for the injuries, we'd be printing WS tickets right now.
by tharr on Feb 21, 2012 5:16 PM CST up reply  
 
$20 says he will be in a Cubs uniform again one day
and 6 or 7 others

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry 
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
by Hammer on Feb 21, 2012 10:53 AM CST reply  
 
Well, better him than Castro or Garza....
by nateroth on Feb 21, 2012 10:54 AM CST reply  
 
*rolls eyes*
by nateroth on Feb 21, 2012 10:54 AM CST up reply  
 
What's this PTBNL crap?
The phrase "It happens every spring" wasn't invented to describe the craziness and mass optimism that grips baseball at that special time of the year, but it fits as snugly as as catcher's mask. -Bob Uecker
by katie casey on Feb 21, 2012 10:54 AM CST reply  
 
That's your husband getting traded
Pack your bags!

"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza 
"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
by RiskyBusiness on Feb 21, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply  
 
Drats. Is it my duty to be mad at God now?
We were expecting them to offer him millions to be a Cub for life.

The phrase "It happens every spring" wasn't invented to describe the craziness and mass optimism that grips baseball at that special time of the year, but it fits as snugly as as catcher's mask. -Bob Uecker
by katie casey on Feb 21, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply  
 
like your new sig line
The Stat Pack
by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Feb 21, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply  
 
TY
The phrase "It happens every spring" wasn't invented to describe the craziness and mass optimism that grips baseball at that special time of the year, but it fits as snugly as as catcher's mask. -Bob Uecker
by katie casey on Feb 21, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply  
 
It's nothing
it’s a paperwork thing. The deal had to be a trade.

by Josh Timmers on Feb 21, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply  
 
Theo's quote from MLBTR
“I am relieved that this process is over and particularly pleased that the teams were able to reach agreement on their own without intervention from MLB. I truly hope and believe that this resolution will benefit both clubs, as well as Chris, who is an extremely talented reliever joining a great organization at a time when there’s some opportunity in the major league bullpen. More than anything, I’m excited that we can all move forward and focus exclusively on getting ready for the season. I wish Chris and the Red Sox nothing but the best in 2012 and beyond.”

Bud was not involved.

-- Jerome Horwitz
by KO Stradivarius on Feb 21, 2012 10:54 AM CST reply  
Ryan Flaherty
if he fails to survive ST

10-25-2011. Theo Epstein joins the Cubs. Now, the fun begins.
by timh815 on Feb 21, 2012 10:55 AM CST reply  
 
Flaherty was rule 5'd and is no longer a Cub.
by subtle on Feb 22, 2012 9:18 AM CST up reply  
April 15
apparently PTNBLs are to be named by then. There’s a date! and it’s in this century!

by PrincetonCubs on Feb 21, 2012 10:56 AM CST reply  
So both teams will have assessed their personnel in ST ...
and then they can get a better grasp on what they need/don’t need.

Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
by elgato on Feb 21, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply  
no conspiracy in that, though
10-25-2011. Theo Epstein joins the Cubs. Now, the fun begins.
by timh815 on Feb 21, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply  
we'll all have paid our taxes as well
by PrincetonCubs on Feb 21, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply  
Supposedly the PTBNL's are to be decided upon before April 15
Does this mean no 2011 draft picks can be involved?

by AzCubfan24 on Feb 21, 2012 10:57 AM CST reply  
seems like it
by Mak19 on Feb 21, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply  
Shouldn't be.
I think they want Flaherty for the minors

10-25-2011. Theo Epstein joins the Cubs. Now, the fun begins.
by timh815 on Feb 21, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply  
Wasnt sure what the date was for draft picks to be dealt.
by AzCubfan24 on Feb 21, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply  
1 year after they sign
They’ll get Flaherty or Gonzalez, free and clear.

10-25-2011. Theo Epstein joins the Cubs. Now, the fun begins.
by timh815 on Feb 21, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply  
 
I thought
we lost Flaherty in the Rule 5 draft. Was that to BOS?

Not sure where you’re going here.

Ezekiel 25:17
by Tat14 on Feb 21, 2012 6:08 PM CST up reply  
 
I think the idea
Is that the Orioles won’t keep him and he’ll send us back to us.

We lost him to Baltimore. The Red Sox took Marwin Gonzalez and then flipped him to Houston.

by Josh Timmers on Feb 21, 2012 7:40 PM CST up reply  
think so
much more palatable.

by PrincetonCubs on Feb 21, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply  
 
Sounds OK to me. But the PTBNL could change this.

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid. I'm a Sheeple and proud of it! 
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by eths on Feb 21, 2012 10:59 AM CST reply  
 
I was worried that it would be mcnutt
Thankfully bud is an idiot

Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Feb 21, 2012 11:01 AM CST via Android app reply  
 
Do not like.
I understand the need to move on, but I think this will come back to bite the team. No one can predict the future, but I was hopeful for Carp taking over for Marmol. Now we’ll be treated to another season where for a few months, opposing hitters forget that Marmol can’t hit the strike zone to save his life, swinging and missing a ton, and then a majority of the rest of the season where hitters sit, wait, and walk, realizing that Marmol’s slider doesn’t touch the strike zone.

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by Craig in South Bend on Feb 21, 2012 11:01 AM CST reply  
 
Carpenter has a pretty garish walk rate himself.
It’s pretty uncertain at the moment that he’s ever going to turn into a dependable closer at the MLB level.

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by daver on Feb 21, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply  
 
Did you look at Carp's minor league walk totals?
John Grabow - Who will pay you $4.8 million in 2012?
by rlpete on Feb 21, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply  
 
Carp's game is predicated on a blazing fast ball
Not control. MLB hitters adapt to blazing fast balls.

Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Feb 21, 2012 3:12 PM CST up reply  
 
I like what was said about Carp above
He’s like Kyle Farnsworth

by subtle on Feb 22, 2012 9:19 AM CST up reply  
 
And in MLB, blazing fastballs can go a long, long way the other direction
by ClarkFan on Feb 22, 2012 5:09 PM CST up reply  
What if Chris Carpenter
was the PTBNL we get back in the deal?

by tomas21 on Feb 21, 2012 11:02 AM CST reply  
 
I don't think that's unprecedented
Quote Of The Day: Gisele On Tom Brady & The Super Bowl
"My husband can not f****ing throw the ball and catch the ball at the same time. I can’t believe they dropped the ball so many times."
by Bigp2287 on Feb 21, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply  
Carp for Flaherty?
10-25-2011. Theo Epstein joins the Cubs. Now, the fun begins.
by timh815 on Feb 21, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply  
 
Stop bringing up Flaherty
He is a Baltimore Oriole now.

by subtle on Feb 22, 2012 9:19 AM CST up reply  
 
For now.
He could be returned at the end of spring training.

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by Al Yellon on Feb 22, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply  
 
But I'm betting he won't.
by Dcr18 on Feb 22, 2012 2:10 PM CST up reply  
 
Made a few changes in the article due to the additional facts about the PTBNLs.
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by Al Yellon on Feb 21, 2012 11:04 AM CST reply  
 
So, I guess the BoSox are "compensating" for "Theo envy".
I bet they drive a big truck, too.

"I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher." -Rogers Hornsby
by Mapanator on Feb 21, 2012 11:04 AM CST reply  
Sawks fans...
Was this really worth whining about for the past six months? So glad this is (mostly) over with, and in a way that doesn’t set a precedent for a huge payout.

by EcoGeek on Feb 21, 2012 11:10 AM CST reply  
 
They were just taking cues from their guys at the top.
THIS IS THE YEAR.
by shoemile on Feb 21, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply  
 
It's not Garza or Castro
So the Boston media will complain

Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Feb 21, 2012 11:18 AM CST via Android app up reply  
by 'or'
you mean ‘and’

10-25-2011. Theo Epstein joins the Cubs. Now, the fun begins.
by timh815 on Feb 21, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply  
 
nonsense, the media won't complain
they’ll imply that all the fans should be complaining and then belittle the fans who are complaining about it for being unreasonable. This is the way these things work.

by wolf9309 on Feb 21, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply  
 
Give them some


To go with their whiiiiine….

by ClarkFan on Feb 22, 2012 5:11 PM CST up reply  
 
Carpenter was a good pickup for them
He’s not going to be a star, but he could be a good set up man and maybe even a closer. Dude throws hard. We’re going to miss him.

by Josh Timmers on Feb 21, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply  
Lendry Castillo still has a fighting ch.....
naaaaah!!!!!

10-25-2011. Theo Epstein joins the Cubs. Now, the fun begins.
by timh815 on Feb 21, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply  
Not trying to take anything away from Carpenter
I’d rather have him than not, but in the grand scheme of things, the circus about this whole situation has been a bit overwrought considering what they finally agreed to.

by EcoGeek on Feb 21, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply  
 
Losing him isn't going to cost us a championship
And getting Theo might bring us one, so in the larger scheme of things it’s not significant. But the Red Sox did get something of value.

by Josh Timmers on Feb 21, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply  
 
Well, you have to give to get
I still think the Cubs are on the better end of the deal.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Feb 21, 2012 11:13 AM CST reply  
 
Agreed.
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by Craig in South Bend on Feb 21, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply  
 
Isn't baseball protocol...
…that if someone is leaving for a higher position, no compensation is needed?

"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Feb 21, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply  
It is protocol
to let an exec interview for a higher position. Theo was interviewing for an ‘undecided’ position.

10-25-2011. Theo Epstein joins the Cubs. Now, the fun begins.
by timh815 on Feb 21, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply  
 
That was mentioned.
But it was understood by both teams when Theo was signed by the Cubs, that compensation would be required.

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by Al Yellon on Feb 21, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply  
 
But it shouldn't have even come to that.
I guess I’m just annoyed that the Red Sox are getting anything because Theo left for a higher position and it’s not the Cubs fault the Sox were stupid enough to let it happen before compensation had been decided on.

Oh well, I’m glad it’s over with.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Feb 21, 2012 11:25 AM CST up reply   1 recs
 
I fall into this category as well
To me, the rub is that the Red Sox wanted Theo gone anyway, and if he had dug his heels in, and forced them to fire him, instead of the mutual parting of the ways, it would have been the Red Sox who would have had to provide compensation (albeit to Theo, and not the Cubs).

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by Bigp2287 on Feb 21, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply  
 
I'm not sure that's reflective of when the Cubs asked the Red Sox about Theo
When the Cubs asked permission to speak to Theo, the red sox had let Francona go. But I don’t think there was any indication that they wanted Theo gone as well.

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"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
by RiskyBusiness on Feb 21, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply  
 
I'm starting to wonder if it's a chicken or the egg thing
I find it hard to believe there weren’t indications behind the scenes they wanted him gone, which is why they allowed the Cubs to talk to Theo in the first place. However, since the Cubs did inquire, it allowed the Red Sox to make it look like the Cubs took him away, rather than the Red Sox making him go away, and thus netting the Red Sox compensation.

Quote Of The Day: Gisele On Tom Brady & The Super Bowl
"My husband can not f****ing throw the ball and catch the ball at the same time. I can’t believe they dropped the ball so many times."
by Bigp2287 on Feb 21, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply  
 
But this goes back to my original point...
…which is the Red Sox should have allowed Theo to talk to the Cubs regardless, if it was understood Theo would be advancing.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Feb 21, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply  
 
I don't think it was that cut and dry
Theo told Ricketts that he be President of Baseball Operations and that he needed to build a staff underneath him.

I do not think it was initially stated that he would be President of Baseball Operations. Remember the whole “not wanting a baseball person to watch over the baseball people”?

"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza 
"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
by RiskyBusiness on Feb 21, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply  
 
I suppose that could be true.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Feb 21, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply  
 
Wouldn't surprise me
From the red sox perspective, it’s “Well Theo was starting to fall out of favor with us. But if the Cubs want to compensate us for him, we’ll take it.”

"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza 
"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
by RiskyBusiness on Feb 21, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply  
 
FWIW
this leaves an open spot on the Cubs 40 man roster.

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by Al Yellon on Feb 21, 2012 11:26 AM CST reply  
Jessica can rest easy tonight
10-25-2011. Theo Epstein joins the Cubs. Now, the fun begins.
by timh815 on Feb 21, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply  
Oswalt?
The sun is up. They sky is blue. It's beautiful, and so are you. Dear Prudence, won't you come out to play? ~Lennon & McCartney
by SouthWabashSoul on Feb 21, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply  
 
His Arms are a little short to get good velocity on the ball
But I bet he kicks butt on PFP.



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"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
by RiskyBusiness on Feb 21, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply  
 
Cute!
My daughter loves this show.

Come on Lisa, I'm trying to impress people here. You don't win friends with salad. ~ Homer J. Simpson
by TheBeerBaron on Feb 21, 2012 8:14 PM CST up reply  
 
Too picky.
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by daver on Feb 21, 2012 12:58 PM CST up reply  
 
Idiotic...
This was extortion. There shouldn’t have been any compensation at all.

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by IowaCubs- on Feb 21, 2012 11:28 AM CST reply  
 
There shouldn’t have been any compensation at all.
On what do you base this statement?

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by Al Yellon on Feb 21, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply  
 
Anger.
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by Craig in South Bend on Feb 21, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply  
 
Well...
….. I’m not IowaCubs, but I always thought compensation was ludicrous too. I’ve said before I wanted to see this in court just to see how it would be decided. To avoid all of this, all Boston had to so was refuse Epstein permission to talk. By allowing it, they ceded their exclusivity to his services and shouldn’t be able to demand compensation, unless that was one of the conditions before they spoke, which I’ve not heard anyone say was a part of this.

Chicago. Enough said.
by BeerCub on Feb 21, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply  
 
Court?
Seriously? No way would it ever have gone that far. Arbitration, maybe, but not a lawsuit.

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by Al Yellon on Feb 21, 2012 12:40 PM CST up reply  
 
People opposing compensation are forgetting a possible outcome without it:
Say Ricketts takes his stand, says there should be no compensation, and we get Epstein without having to give up any players or personnel. Maybe I’m being naive, but the negative fallout over a move like that, creating even more tension between the two organizations, wasn’t worth it. In the end, or at least in the long run, I would assume it’s better to play as nice as you could in this scenario to preserve any possible future deals between the two clubs.

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by Craig in South Bend on Feb 21, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply   1 recs
 
You're not looking at it like I am
As an attorney, I’m looking at it purely from a legal point of view. Not as a fan of either team or any regard for baseball “unwritten” practices. A bar exam question or even a case of first impression.

If the Red Sox wanted to retain Epstein, all they had to do was say no. End of problem. However, the legal theory I’m putting forth is that by allowing him to speak to the Cubs, they ceded, gave up, waived, whatever you want to call it, their exclusive rights to his services. I’m NOT saying giving permission voided his contract with them, the principles are different and distinct. Had Epstein not accepted a Cubs offer, he would still be bound with the Red Sox. But that’s not what happened. The Red Sox should expect the outcome that did occur, that Epstein would want to leave. The Sox would not owe him any more money, he would not owe them any more services. Epstein did not breach his contract because the Red Sox gave him the opportunity to do so.

And, I’ll this again- my theory blows if there was a caveat agreed upon somewhere that said the Cubs owe compensation if they hire Epstein. However, I’ve yet to hear that was the case.

Chicago. Enough said.
by BeerCub on Feb 21, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply  
 
I just wanted to state how shocked I am that you found a way to bring up that you're an attorney
for like the 700th time.

For some fans, Kerry Wood is that dollap of pumpkin paste.
by Nunyabidness on Feb 21, 2012 1:42 PM CST up reply   4 recs
 
Whatever. Have a nice day
Chicago. Enough said.
by BeerCub on Feb 21, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply  
 
Another post simply to stir up sh@t;
I am shocked as well.

Ezekiel 25:17
by Tat14 on Feb 21, 2012 6:21 PM CST up reply  
 
Have you ever heard a case
that suggests that they ceded their employment rights by allowing an employee to consider other employment?

by ol Pete on Feb 21, 2012 1:45 PM CST up reply  
 
Again......
… ceded their exclusivity only, not a generic “rights”.

Chicago. Enough said.
by BeerCub on Feb 21, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply  
 
Why would their contract become void?
by ol Pete on Feb 21, 2012 9:41 PM CST up reply  
 
I didn't say it would
Chicago. Enough said.
by BeerCub on Feb 21, 2012 10:03 PM CST up reply  
 
Other than, like, 20 football coaches every offseason?
And untold thousands of businessmen?

If you give an employee permission to seek other employment, you can’t sue him for breaching his employment contract, and you can’t sue the new employer for tortious interference. You literally permitted the outcome to occur.

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by D98 on Feb 22, 2012 1:10 AM CST up reply  
 
am I the only one who didn't know beer cub was a lawyer?
The Stat Pack
by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Feb 21, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply  
 
I didn't either.
The phrase "It happens every spring" wasn't invented to describe the craziness and mass optimism that grips baseball at that special time of the year, but it fits as snugly as as catcher's mask. -Bob Uecker
by katie casey on Feb 21, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply  
 
personally I think it'd be neat to find out what others do for a living
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Feb 21, 2012 2:57 PM CST up reply  
 
I think we had a thread about that once.
But it was a fairly long time ago.

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by daver on Feb 21, 2012 3:03 PM CST up reply  
 
almost four years ago...
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/story/2008/3/6/171541/8431

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by ballhawk on Feb 21, 2012 3:05 PM CST up reply  
 
I don't know how I remember this stuff...
"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach
by daver on Feb 21, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply  
 
you're sick... you have a fever... and the only prescription is...


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by ballhawk on Feb 21, 2012 3:34 PM CST up reply  
 
That was a few months before I found bcb.
Wow…time flies.

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by katie casey on Feb 21, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply  
 
11 days!
Oooh, I was so close.

by Arbusto on Feb 22, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply  
 
the funny thing is
I commented so I must have read it, but didn’t remember. It’s kinda scary how many of us are still here.

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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Feb 21, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply  
 
If we weren't here, where would we go?
azrag, It's Garza spelled backwards.
by N Oakley on Feb 21, 2012 3:34 PM CST up reply  
 
maybe be more productive
The Stat Pack
by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Feb 21, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply  
 
So an estoppel argument?
by Arbusto on Feb 22, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply  
 
And the Commissioner of Baseball is king, with the right to void all laws within his kingdom
That is how it has worked since Landis, with the unspoken consent of every Congress and Administration since.

by ClarkFan on Feb 22, 2012 5:14 PM CST up reply  
 
You mean
By allowing Theo to speak to the Cubs, they forfeited the contractual rights they had with Theo?

I don’t think it works that way.

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"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
by RiskyBusiness on Feb 21, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply  
 
It happens in baseball with managers and coaches every year.
Do the Cubs owe the Brewers compensation for hiring Dale Sveum? Hell no they don’t. But they asked for permission to interview him… then hired him.

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by SackMan on Feb 21, 2012 1:05 PM CST up reply   1 recs
 
And the Marlins got Ozzie Guillen how?
And Tampa Bay got Lou Piniella how?

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"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
by RiskyBusiness on Feb 21, 2012 1:13 PM CST up reply  
 
I fully agree with the premise that no compensation should have ever been needed.
They asked for permission, they received permission. He left one job to take another job. It’s business. If an employee of an internet start-up company XYZ, leaves XYZ to take a job a Google, Google doesn’t owe XYZ any compensation.

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Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
by SackMan on Feb 21, 2012 1:03 PM CST up reply  
 
That's great if you ignore any elements of an actual contract
Like a non-compete clause…

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"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
by RiskyBusiness on Feb 21, 2012 1:12 PM CST up reply  
 
Beat me to it by mere seconds.
by ubercubsfan on Feb 21, 2012 1:14 PM CST up reply  
 
You guys are ignoring a key component here
Boston gave him permission to negotiate elsewhere. Legally, that’s a game changer.

Chicago. Enough said.
by BeerCub on Feb 21, 2012 1:18 PM CST up reply  
 
No, Boston gave the Cubs permission to interview Theo
Theo did not have permission to interview with anyone he wanted to. And he still had a year remaining on his contract.

The Cubs knew from the beginning that some form of compensation would be due. I’m pretty sure that was why they were allowed to interview Theo.

"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza 
"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
by RiskyBusiness on Feb 21, 2012 1:24 PM CST up reply  
 
What?
What’s the difference? Either the Sox allowed the Cubs to talk to him or the Sox allowed Theo to talk to the Cubs? Same thing happens, they’re talking.

And if you have proof the Cubs knew they had to compensate, then like I said, my theory doesn’t hold. But you’re only “pretty sure”.

Chicago. Enough said.
by BeerCub on Feb 21, 2012 1:31 PM CST up reply  
 
uh, both sides have said since the beginning that there would be compensation
by wolf9309 on Feb 21, 2012 1:53 PM CST up reply  
 
It's a big difference in terms of compensation, if any
Here is Al original post Cubs Ask Permission To Talk To Theo Epstein

An SB nation writer clearly states that one of the options is:

(3) The Red Sox grant the Cubs’ request under the condition that they are compensated if Epstein is hired away
That was October 4, 2011 and you even commented on that post. Sorry, but this has been kown since the beginning.

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"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
by RiskyBusiness on Feb 21, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply  
You need to stop citing the law here...
because the laws of the US are not applicable here. MLB is governed by a CBA, which literally allows the MLB to skirt labor laws. No court would would hear this “case.”

by Mak19 on Feb 21, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply  
STOP QUOTING LAWS
WE CARRY WEAPONS

by JOVE23 on Feb 21, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply  
 
BADGES?!
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by daver on Feb 21, 2012 1:44 PM CST up reply  
 
Badgers?


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by Al Yellon on Feb 21, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply  
 
Cubbie Badger Don't Care...
……………………………………………………


I haz photoshop skilz

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by ballhawk on Feb 21, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply   1 recs
 
Skillz fo sho
by alkappy on Feb 22, 2012 2:19 PM CST up reply  
 
We don't need no stinkin' badgers!
by ddoubleheader on Feb 21, 2012 8:04 PM CST up reply  
 
How about mushrooms?
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/badgers

by ClarkFan on Feb 23, 2012 9:15 AM CST up reply  
 
Part of my hypo here...
…… keeps asking if there was a caveat that required compensation. If the CBA calls for it, then great. Otherwise, if the CBA doesn’t cover this, then it’s an open question again.

Chicago. Enough said.
by BeerCub on Feb 21, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply  
 
I don't think this is subject to the CBA
… because an executive is involved. It’s simply an agreement between the two parties.

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by Al Yellon on Feb 21, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply  
Yes, but
I think the CBA covers a broad range of topics. The notion of “compensation” has to come from somewhere, or they wouldn’t discuss it. I’m pretty sure the rules provide for these situations.

Say for instance, Ricketts did say “sorry, you get nothing.” It would be up to Bud to penalize the Cubs, and I imagine it would go through whatever powers he has under the CBA. To conclude, this would never end up in court.

by Mak19 on Feb 21, 2012 2:12 PM CST up reply  
 
In this case
… Bud would be ruling in his “best interests of baseball” power, not the CBA. The CBA does not cover management.

I could have seen this going to arbitration, but not to court.

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by Al Yellon on Feb 21, 2012 2:21 PM CST up reply  
Correct.
MLB (and the other professional sports) pretty much operate in worlds of their own.

Easy example: if a football player holds out of training camp because he doesn’t think he is being compensated fairly pursuant to his contract, that is normal. If a manager at Wal-Mart does the same, he is most likely fired for cause.

by Vance Lawyer on Feb 21, 2012 2:08 PM CST up reply  
 
Depends if the contract has a sort of noncompete agreement.
I’d assume most contracts have that when it comes to deals with set years. What would stop people from just quitting a crap job and taking the same position elsewhere.

by ubercubsfan on Feb 21, 2012 1:13 PM CST up reply  
 
Well Theo was coming to the Quade-led (at the time) Cubs - I think that probably qualifies
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by ballhawk on Feb 21, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply  
 
Most employees don't have contracts for definite periods
And are employees at will, meaning they can leave at anytime.

by Arbusto on Feb 22, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply  
That ship sailed months ago.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
by elgato on Feb 21, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply  
Well. . .
I believe that Theo has already had much more of a positive impact on the Cubs than Carpenter will have on the BoSox.

I’m relieved (no pun intended)

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by leothelip on Feb 21, 2012 11:31 AM CST reply  
 
So we gave up a low-teens prospect for Epstein
The various prospect rankings had Carpenter at 12 to 14 for the Cubs. This is easier to take given the moves that Theo and Jed have already made this off-season.

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"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
by RiskyBusiness on Feb 21, 2012 11:36 AM CST reply  
 
It also helps to understand that Carpenter was a low teens prospect
On a team without a lot of prospect depth. It would be different if he was prospect #12 or 14 for the Royals.

by subtle on Feb 22, 2012 9:22 AM CST up reply  
Without a lot of prospect depth?
Cubs have LOADS of depth.

by RynoRooter on Feb 22, 2012 10:56 AM CST up reply  
 
Especially at relievers in the upper levels.
Dolis, Kurcz, Zych, Rhoderick, Beliveau off the top of my head. Not to mention McNutt and Rhee could end up in the pen.

by Dcr18 on Feb 22, 2012 2:11 PM CST up reply  
 
Good deal for us.
I’d make this trade any day. Theo has changed everything about the organization. Carpenter may one day have success as a late inning reliever, but his impact on the Cubs is in no way irreplaceable, and his loss is likely to be negligible.

by Bradsbeard on Feb 21, 2012 11:37 AM CST reply   1 recs
SELIG NOT INVOLVED
i dont believe a word of it see what happens when you get a car salesman involved.

by notcubbiewubbie on Feb 21, 2012 11:42 AM CST reply  
 
All I got to say is "Laissez les bons temps rouler" - Happy Fat Cub Tuesday everybody!
.
Not too many places I’d rather be than at Spring Training right now, but this is one of them.
http://www.earthcam.com/usa/louisiana/neworleans/bourbonstreet/

100 BCB points if you can see Theriot or Fontenot here…

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by ballhawk on Feb 21, 2012 11:44 AM CST reply  
 
Kind of looks like them
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
by propheteer on Feb 21, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply  
 
Happy Fat Tuesday to you too....thanks for the link, one of my favorite places too.
listening to Aaron Neville and making jambalaya :)

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by cooliogirl47 on Feb 21, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply  
 
Jumbalaya!


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by daver on Feb 21, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply  
 
Here's another webcam if you'd rather see the floats...
http://www.nola.com/paradecam/

Sometimes it’s a fixed camera with no sound. But sooner or later, it’ll switch to a handheld with a couple of girls provide a running commentary. A little too much OMG and valley-girl speak for me but they’re getting funnier as they get drunker.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Feb 21, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply  
 
lol....cant turn off my music for that, I'll leave it running tho and watch the parade while I'm doing my taxes and reading BCB....
it’ll give me some comic relief

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by cooliogirl47 on Feb 21, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply  
 
Happy Paczki Day!
The phrase "It happens every spring" wasn't invented to describe the craziness and mass optimism that grips baseball at that special time of the year, but it fits as snugly as as catcher's mask. -Bob Uecker
by katie casey on Feb 21, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply  
 
Honor thy Polish brethren!
Quote Of The Day: Gisele On Tom Brady & The Super Bowl
"My husband can not f****ing throw the ball and catch the ball at the same time. I can’t believe they dropped the ball so many times."
by Bigp2287 on Feb 21, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply  
 
Got a package of them at the store after work...
Love it when Paczki time rolls around.

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by brook on Feb 21, 2012 6:36 PM CST up reply  
Can't believe Cubs fans act like we lost something
He was middle reliever who no one has heard of outside of hardcore Cubbie fans. And Nick Cafardo feels like he just got kicked in the balls. But you still feel like they got too much?

by frankelee on Feb 21, 2012 11:57 AM CST reply  
 
which Cub fans??
On the radio?? I don’t see that here. Of course – this website is the 1%

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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
by Hammer on Feb 21, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply  
 
?? C'mon, Mr. Lee (Mr. Lee, Mr. Lee) and do your stuff! ??
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by daver on Feb 21, 2012 12:00 PM CST up reply  
 
Go back to July and ask yourself if you'd make this four-way trade:
1) Cubs trade Chris Carpenter to Red Sox in exchange for Theo Epstein, who promptly signs a multi-year contract extension.

2) Padres trade Jed Hoyer to Cubs; in exchange, Tom Ricketts takes his pal Jeff Moorad out to a nice dinner the next time they’re both in the same town.

3) Cubs buy out Jim Hendry, send him to the Yankees, who pay the Cubs nothing in return.

Raise your hand if you say “No” to that offer? Anyone? Didn’t think so.

by Orval Overall on Feb 21, 2012 12:32 PM CST reply   19 recs
 
This is brilliant.
Quoting this elsewhere, if you don’t mind.

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by Craig in South Bend on Feb 21, 2012 12:40 PM CST up reply  
 
Rec'd
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by Al Yellon on Feb 21, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply  
 
Boston.com survey
Question: Did Red Sox get fair compensation?

62.55% – Red Sox should have gotten more.

But you’d pronounce it as “Red Sox shoulda gatten mah.”

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by RiskyBusiness on Feb 21, 2012 12:38 PM CST reply   1 recs
heh
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
by elgato on Feb 21, 2012 12:39 PM CST up reply  
heh
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
by elgato on Feb 21, 2012 12:39 PM CST up reply  
 
Adding a "heh" to your two.
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by Al Yellon on Feb 21, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply  
 
No mah
oh wait – they already had him…

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by ballhawk on Feb 21, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply  
 
They can take back Nomah
But they can’t have Mia.

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by RiskyBusiness on Feb 21, 2012 1:19 PM CST up reply  
 
 

Chicago. Enough said.
by BeerCub on Feb 21, 2012 1:21 PM CST up reply  
 
Would you mind inserting any text in the subject line
when posting pics?

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by Craig in South Bend on Feb 21, 2012 1:26 PM CST up reply   2 recs
 
Excuse me?
Chicago. Enough said.
by BeerCub on Feb 21, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply  
 
Here's the reason.
If there is no text in the subject line, you can’t collapse the photos. Some people need to do that at work.

All you have to do is put

… (three dots)

or something similar in the subject line, then people can collapse them. Thanks.

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by Al Yellon on Feb 21, 2012 1:33 PM CST up reply  
 
X
is old school and obvious too

by ol Pete on Feb 21, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply  
 
Hell of a band.
"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach
by daver on Feb 21, 2012 1:45 PM CST up reply   1 recs
 
"hey, baby, it's the Fourth of July...."
by EalyEagle on Feb 21, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply  
 
Adult Books
I don’t understand
Jackie Susann
She meant it that way

by Josh Timmers on Feb 21, 2012 4:17 PM CST up reply  
 
Great tune
"Gambling man rolls the dice, poor man pays the bills."
by AussieCub on Feb 21, 2012 4:21 PM CST up reply  
 
Hell yeah Falcor
THIS IS THE YEAR.
by shoemile on Feb 21, 2012 7:04 PM CST up reply  
 
Its SOP
(Standard Operating Procedure) Nobody’s being rude

There are no facts, only interpretations. 
Friedrich Nietzsche 
Lets Go Theo!!! 10/13/2011
by jeffstorm2 on Feb 21, 2012 4:22 PM CST up reply  
 
Yes, his polite question really was quite offensive, I'm glad you took a stand.
For some fans, Kerry Wood is that dollap of pumpkin paste.
by Nunyabidness on Feb 21, 2012 5:47 PM CST up reply  
 
WTF is your problem?
Chicago. Enough said.
by BeerCub on Feb 21, 2012 6:33 PM CST up reply  
The Marlins gave up as much or more for Ozzie Guillen.
by Rick B on Feb 21, 2012 12:41 PM CST reply  
 
Not really.
Neither of the pitchers who went to the White Sox were thought of as prospects.

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by Al Yellon on Feb 21, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply  
 
And as we've seen, they admit that
They make moves that draw perilously close to the line of stupidity.

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by Bigp2287 on Feb 21, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply  
 
Theo > Ozzie
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
by Hammer on Feb 21, 2012 1:28 PM CST up reply  
 
Have posted a poll on this topic on the sidebar.
Please vote.

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by Al Yellon on Feb 21, 2012 1:31 PM CST reply  
 
Here's a question...
…and I ask it seriously…
What ceases to exist first…Lin-sanity, Tebow-mania or Theo-mania? I’m glad Hendry is gone and Epstein/Hoyer have taken over, but, when is enough enough? Man, I’ll be glad when this season starts up.

by Easy Ed on Feb 21, 2012 1:45 PM CST reply  
 
I hope Theo-mania never ceases to exist.
Or at least continues to exist throughout his contract and perhaps into an extension. Oh, and I’ll vote for Tebow-mania ending first, too.

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by daver on Feb 21, 2012 1:55 PM CST up reply  
 
It's Hoyer's team now, isn't it?
Or is he just on-board for the ride?

by Easy Ed on Feb 21, 2012 1:56 PM CST up reply  
 
It's not Hoyer's team...
…but I don’t think he’s only along for the ride either. I was just using your term: Theo-mania. Are you saying you’d rather see some Hoyer-mania, because I’d be down with that, too. Or how ’bout some McLeod-o-mania? Because I think his role is huge right now.

"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach
by daver on Feb 21, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply  
 
It's not Hoyer's team?
I thought the GM was “the man”. My bad. Just really burned out on everything Theo. Once the season starts I’m hoping all this Epstein stuff just goes away. I really hope the next time he’s front and center like he is now is when he’s accepting that trophy.

by Easy Ed on Feb 21, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply  
 
The GM is usually The Man...
…unless there’s a President of Baseball Operations standing over him. I would expect Theo’s profile to fade a little bit now that this compensation thing is more or less resolved and actual baseball stuff is starting up. If the 2012 Cubs get off to a hot start, we might even be treated to some Sveumania.

"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach
by daver on Feb 21, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply  
I'm guessing
Linsanity. If he’s truly as good as he’s been playing, why the hell was he warming the bench?

Tebow benefits from not having to play in a game for 6 months, so not too many opportunities to screw up until then.

Theo-mania is a wild-card, depending on how smart the fandom is. If people get annoyed about a (necessarily) crappy season this year, and lose sight of the big picture, and my sense about Lin proves wrong, Theo-mania could be in danger.

by EcoGeek on Feb 21, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply  
 
Yeah...
…I’m thinkin’ Lin-sanity lasts until the Knicks are eliminated from playoffs, but, if the Cubs should start out 10-25 (which by looking at that lineup is a very good possibility), Theo-mania may be 1st to go. Tebow is safe for awhile, like you said.

by Easy Ed on Feb 21, 2012 2:03 PM CST up reply  
 
However...
…if this team starts out 25-10 it’s “Theo’s Team” if they start out 10-25 it’ll become “Sveum’s Team”. Reading posts and listening to people in general, Epstein is gonna get a very, very long rope.

by Easy Ed on Feb 21, 2012 2:08 PM CST up reply  
 
If the team starts 25-10
I think we’ll be happy with just about everyone.

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by Al Yellon on Feb 21, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply  
 
Yup.
As of right now, there isn’t a lot on that’s going to be on the field to get excited about. If the team starts off hot, then the focus will shift to the players. Of course, if some of the offseason acquisitions are a big reason for that, Theomania will still be going strong.

THIS IS THE YEAR.
by shoemile on Feb 21, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply  
 
Considering Lin has horrific turnover problems
I’d say it’s Linsanity. Plus, the Knicks are such a toxic organization that everyone there is inevitably brought down several pegs.

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by Craig in South Bend on Feb 21, 2012 2:14 PM CST up reply  
 
Theo-mania never was
Now Theology…

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by RiskyBusiness on Feb 21, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply  
 
I vote Tebowmania
Chicago. Enough said.
by BeerCub on Feb 21, 2012 1:50 PM CST reply  
 
reply fail
Chicago. Enough said.
by BeerCub on Feb 21, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply  
 
Thank goodness this is done for the most part.
Shark in the rotation is a fantasy now. Lets have a healthy camp.

by Grockcubs on Feb 21, 2012 1:59 PM CST reply  
Bring on
Minor league mini camp

10-25-2011. Theo Epstein joins the Cubs. Now, the fun begins.
by timh815 on Feb 21, 2012 2:01 PM CST reply  
This kind of mini camp?


by EcoGeek on Feb 21, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply  
 
He has a cousin in the NFL office
What, you never heard of Roger Gaedel?

by EalyEagle on Feb 21, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply  
 
You laught
But the Padres took his Great-Nephew in the sixth round of the draft last June.

by Josh Timmers on Feb 21, 2012 4:20 PM CST up reply  
 
I'm not upset they traded Carpenter, but I also wasn't upset when they traded Al Alburquerque.
Supporter of Carlos Austin Boozer, and I don't want to see Dwight Howard in a Bulls uniform. Call me crazy.
by wrigleyrocker12 on Feb 21, 2012 2:54 PM CST reply  
 
AA is turning into Joel Zumaya the 2nd
So don’t get too worked up about it.

by EalyEagle on Feb 21, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply  
 
Chris Carpenter consumed what?
How many stories, fan posts, fan shots, and comments have been made to guess the answer to the question “What will the compensation for Theo Epstein be?”. 3000?

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"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
by RiskyBusiness on Feb 21, 2012 2:55 PM CST reply  
 
this off season has been too educational for me, with the ins and outs of trade deals, players I've heard of only for the first time,
I’m ready for a gritty game thread!!!!

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by cooliogirl47 on Feb 21, 2012 3:08 PM CST reply  
 
I've also learned a lot this off season
But TheoJed are mostly responsible for that.

I’m ready for ST 5 weeks from tomorrow we see the 1st of 3 games.

The Stat Pack
by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Feb 21, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply  
 
First ST game
… just 13 days away.

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by Al Yellon on Feb 21, 2012 5:01 PM CST up reply  
 
just can't wait.
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Feb 21, 2012 5:19 PM CST up reply  
 
I wish we could have came sooner......
but that is the first week the boyfriend could get off in March.

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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Feb 21, 2012 8:04 PM CST up reply  
 
you lucky girl you!
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Feb 21, 2012 9:20 PM CST up reply  
 
yep 3 games in 4 days
I’ve always wanted to see ST, but never have.

The Stat Pack
by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Feb 21, 2012 10:35 PM CST up reply  
 
so we get to do this all over again with SD and again in 2 months for the PTBNL?
ah hell yeah

Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Feb 21, 2012 3:40 PM CST reply  
I got the prediction contest right
Next prediction: 78 Wins

by Mitchener on Feb 21, 2012 5:24 PM CST reply  
 
heheh
a cubs fan bought the domain name of the red sox’s spring training facility and has it link to yankees.com

Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Feb 21, 2012 5:26 PM CST reply  
 
Funny.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Feb 21, 2012 5:42 PM CST up reply  
Do the Cubs get a PTBN from SD
Since they are suppose to send comp for Hoyer or is Hoyer considered a baseball person/?

by nkniacc13 on Feb 21, 2012 5:29 PM CST reply  
 
After reading the comments posted...
…on the Boston Globe story, I’m losing a lot of respect for the Red Sox fan base.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Feb 21, 2012 5:39 PM CST reply  
 
i find it humorous that they believe theo is the one that dragged this out
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Feb 21, 2012 5:51 PM CST up reply  
 
Or that they think Garza/Castro...
…may be the PTBNL.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Feb 21, 2012 6:03 PM CST up reply  
 
"theo's an awful GM, i'm glad he's gone! he ruined this team with crawford and lackey's contracts! btw i want awesome players in return for him!"
wha?

Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Feb 21, 2012 6:07 PM CST up reply  
 
Funny how quickly they forget.
Theo got them two rings and now they are happy he’s gone? I realize he made some bad moves, but if the Cubs ever win it all the people in the organization will forever be gods in my book.

Not to mention all the billy goat/Bartman jokes. Really? Did you forget about Babe Ruth already?

Maybe Yankees fans weren’t THAT wrong all along.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Feb 21, 2012 6:13 PM CST up reply  
 
Many can be insufferable.
Just like every fanbase. Everyone’s going to call Cubs fans massive d-bags if/when we win the WS too.

THIS IS THE YEAR.
by shoemile on Feb 21, 2012 6:23 PM CST up reply  
 
Of course.
But there are very few on there who are making logical statements. Paints a bad picture of the entire fanbase, if you ask me.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Feb 21, 2012 6:33 PM CST up reply  
 
Then we all need to make sure no one, in a million years, reads any comments on Cubs articles in the Tribune.
THIS IS THE YEAR.
by shoemile on Feb 21, 2012 6:43 PM CST up reply  
 
the sun times comments board is a fountain of intelligence
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Feb 21, 2012 6:46 PM CST up reply  
 
Would be if you didn't post there under numerous pseudonyms.
THIS IS THE YEAR.
by shoemile on Feb 21, 2012 6:49 PM CST up reply  
 
...


Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Feb 21, 2012 6:56 PM CST up reply  
 
Commentators for Newspaper Websites
are douches the world around. Usually racists, too.

by Josh Timmers on Feb 21, 2012 7:41 PM CST up reply   1 recs
 
Yahoo commenters are actually the worst. But it's only by a hair
For some fans, Kerry Wood is that dollap of pumpkin paste.
by Nunyabidness on Feb 21, 2012 8:43 PM CST up reply  
 
paolo10 on the cubs board is worse than every yahoo commenter combined
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Feb 21, 2012 8:46 PM CST up reply  
 
Been a looooooong long time since I even glanced at the cubs message boards
For some fans, Kerry Wood is that dollap of pumpkin paste.
by Nunyabidness on Feb 21, 2012 9:09 PM CST up reply  
 
he's like senorgato
but dumber

Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Feb 21, 2012 9:10 PM CST up reply  
 
wow that's possible
The Stat Pack
by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Feb 21, 2012 9:13 PM CST up reply  
 
i don't know
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Feb 21, 2012 9:17 PM CST up reply  
 
Gato wasn't dumb
He just let his emotion cloud his comments/judgement.

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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
by Hammer on Feb 21, 2012 9:25 PM CST up reply  
 
I second that about paolo10.
I swear he has a fetish for young guys. lol

by ubercubsfan on Feb 21, 2012 10:26 PM CST up reply  
 
ain't no thing
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Feb 21, 2012 10:41 PM CST up reply  
 
hey guys
sorry I’m late… we can now post comm…… ents. DAMN. late again. switching gears, can we be a HOT team out of the gate? I’m sick of the lethargic 2-8 starts, waiting for Ramirez to get the sand out of his you-know-what. We need to rid ourselves of that horrible 2 months before we actually learn to hit run and field.

by RIP Slim on Feb 21, 2012 8:55 PM CST via Android app reply  
 
The only way I can really see this team start hot out of the gate...
is if they abandon the power/power/power mantra and try to play small ball. That ball just doesn’t leave the park in the early part of the season all that well.

by ubercubsfan on Feb 21, 2012 10:28 PM CST up reply  
 
Small Ball
Management says that that is exactly what they’re going to do. But I still don’t see a hot start.

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by Goat Whisperer on Feb 22, 2012 6:41 AM CST up reply  
 
Tossing back a shot of kool-aid...
…I’d suggest that maybe this will be the upside to having such a low power team. Maybe Cubs hitters won’t swing for the fences, the BABIP Gods will smile upon them in April and May, they’ll hit a lot of singles and doubles with RISP, and things will go well for a while. Or not.

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